Shooting remnant of a temple at Sungai Sembilang, Selangor

Temple remnant at Sungai Sembilang, Selangor

Few weeks ago I with few of my fren went to look for sunset shooting spot. As usual we will normally seek new places by scouting the seaside area for any interesting spot for sunset. This tedious brute forcing alike method sometime allow us to find good new places such as this one (sometime zero result also.. :) ).

The more popular spot at Sungai Sembilang is actually its angler/fisherman jetty.  We were targeting a different structure by the seaside near to this jetty but unable to look for the correct entrance from the road. Trekking by the seaside would be too far so we just shoot another location in between which is this temple remnant location.

It seem that the temple has fall viction to waves erosion as its location is too near to the shoreline. Apart from this tree you can also compose your shot from the mangrove tree around the area.

This location is located between Kapar and Jeram. To reach this location, go north from Kapar. After passing Tambak Jawa area, look for Al-Naim Mosque to your left or for the Sungai Sembilang signboard. From this mosque you can safely take any left junction (eg Jalan Kolam Pancing) and go towards the direction of an apartment called Pantai Indah Seaview Resort which is the highest structure there. Ask for permission to park within the vinicity of the resort area and then walk to the seaside. You'll see the jetty area. The remnant location is situated about 100m from the jetty by the seaside. The jetty is famous with angler during weekend. Since the location is quite secluded makesure you took some safety precaution (go in group, torch light, etc).

To our luck, the sun setting gloriously that day, alhamdulillah

Composing picture behind the unique tree roots

Framing the sun

This is my 50th post on this blog.. personal achievement for me.. :)

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Mount Semeru (Part IV) - Ranupane to Bromo

Bromo from Mount Penanjakan

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Mount Semeru (Part I) - Ranu Pane to Ranu Kumbulo
Mount Semeru (Part II) - Ranu Kumbulo to Kalimati post
Mount Semeru (Part III) - Kalimati post to Semeru Peak to Ranu Pane
Mount Semeru (Part IV) - Ranu Pane to Bromo

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After spending the night in Ranupane, we ride the open jeep back to Ngadisari (or maybe Cemoro Lowong village.. wonder what is the actual difference). On our way back we stop for a while at the Ranupane viewpoint, the savanna area and bromo mountain area itself. We reach our homestay at Ngadisari around 3pm.

Pita Looka, the daughter of our jeep driver

Dramatic sky @ Bromo

At night, after having dinner few of us went to the Cemara Indah chalet to capture startrail. Some of us didnt even sleep for the whole night for this craziness. Hehe.

Startrail @ Bromo

Early morning we went to Mount Penanjakan for sunrise view of bromo, and it is magnificent as usual.

Cemoro Lowong during sunrise

Sunrise from Mount Penanjakan

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Mount Semeru (Part III) - Kalimati to Semeru Peak to Ranupani

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Mount Semeru (Part I) - Ranu Pane to Ranu Kumbulo
Mount Semeru (Part II) - Ranu Kumbulo to Kalimati post
Mount Semeru (Part III) - Kalimati post to Semeru Peak to Ranu Pane
Mount Semeru (Part IV) - Ranu Pane to Bromo

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Compared with previous entry, this entry has the least picture in it. Which would self explain the difficulty in ascending this mountain peak.

Kalimati Basecamp at midnight

We start from Kalimati post (2700m) around 1am. We reach Arcapada camp (2900m) 1.5 hour later. Arcapada is also sometimes spelled/pronounced as Arcopodo. Between Kalimati and Arcapada is a mildly dense pine forest. At some point the trekking path remind me of the path between Kem Pacat to Puncak Pengasih at Nuang Mount back in Malaysia although the Nuang trek is far more extreme.

The dangerous part is when you nearing Arcapada (upper) as there is several dangerous ravine on both side. There is a notorious 75m drop ravine not far from Arcapada camp (nickname Blank 75) which had claim several lives previously. But as long as you stay within the designated track you should be safe. You should keep a close distance with your trekking partner/group all the times here.

After reaching Arcapada, the next point is Cemara Tunggal which is about 45 minutes from Arcapada. Previously there is a lone Cemara tree here (which is why the place called Cemara Tunggal, Tunggal = single/lone) but the tree has fallen down few month ago as reported here.

From here the nightmare begin. High altitude compounded the difficulty. Because of the loose soil combined together with the steep slope, it is difficult to hike for a few step without sliding down back. Loosing 1 step for every two step taken is common. At one point i loose several metres sliding down. Such scenario will leave you fully exhausted by the time you reach summit. But the greater the effort the greater the victory feeling. Some of my friends even thought I wont make it as I take longer time to reach the peak compared to them.

View wise.. the landscape & panorama during the sunrise & early morning is the most amazing view i ever witnessed... It is far more magical and breathtaking compared to rinjani/sibayak/kawah ijen.. the feeling is inexplained.. (even though each of this location is special in their own way).. there were one instant i sit for several minutes just enjoying the breathtaking scenery.. badluck my camera bag is not with me as one of the helpful guide already took my camera bag due to my slowness in hiking up.. :|

I should credit my success to the ever helpful guide especially Mas Candra who patiently accompany me in my ascend (& descent) and also Mas Kaboel & Mas Danang who help in every possible way that they can. I am deeply indebted to them.

Semeru peak (3676m) with small eruption from Kawah Jonggring Saloko

After enjoying the peak for a while,and as thick cloud and fog already surrounded the mountain peak, we descent down. Rest for a while at Kalimati and then proceed going out from mountain area until we reach civilization back at Ranupani village.

My conclusion, it was a tough mountain, but not too hard to hike as long as you prepare yourself physically. Two weeks prior to this trip i went jogging for at least 10-15km/day  but for me it is still not enough as i was in leisure lifestyle for several month (fasting month followed by aidilfitri festival month).

I also realized later that my body suffer from AMS due to dehidration as dehidration deter your body from acclimitazing. I slowly get back to my normal hiking/trekking rhythm/speed when my body get adequate water. Always make sure that your body had enough water supply. Learn more about AMS before climbing any mountain more than 3000m height. Sleepless night, dizzyness,queasiness, inability to breath properly is among the AMS sympthoms.

Edelweiss, Bunga Langka nan Abadi - a common flora within mountaineous area in Indonesia

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Mount Semeru (Part II) - Ranu Kumbulo to Kalimati

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Mount Semeru (Part I) - Ranu Pane to Ranu Kumbulo
Mount Semeru (Part II) - Ranu Kumbulo to Kalimati post
Mount Semeru (Part III) - Kalimati post to Semeru Peak to Ranu Pane
Mount Semeru (Part IV) - Ranu Pane to Bromo

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2nd day.. after few hours of photographing the tranquil Ranu Kumbulo, we start to trek toward Kalimati Post. Ranu Kumbulo to Kalimati just need around 3 hours of leisure trekking through a beautiful open savannah (45-60 minutes).. mythical pinus jungle  (1-1.5 hour) and edelweiss flower area (called jambangan edelweiss area) (45-60 minutes)

This trekking section is very mild and leisure as the kalimati post is only at 2700m and Ranu Kumbulo is already at around 2400m. Just an additional 300m of vertical height added through out 3 hours of trekking.

In this picture hiker climbing Tanjakan Cinta, the starting point from Ranu Kumbulo towards Kalimati post. Maybe this is the only mildly streneous part en route to Kalimati from Ranu Kumbulo.

Immediately after Tanjakan Cinta, you will be presented by an open beautiful savannah. You will also able to see Mount Semeru at the backdrop. Seem near but require another 3 hours of leisure trekking.

Savannah

Savannah

Kalimati post which is often foggy. But when its clear you can see Mount Semeru peak clearly from post.

Kalimati  (2700m) is the common basecamp for people summitting to Mount Semeru. There is another alternatif higher camp called Arcapada (2900m) (sometime spelled/pronounced as Arcopodo) which is a basecamp within the final part of pinus jungle before the Peak but rarely the local porter would like to go there as there is no water point available there.  Within Kalimati there is a nearby waterpoint called sumbermani is is 20 minutes away from the post. Observing the porter (either from our team or other team, immediately after arriving at this post 2/3 would go to cut some firewood while another 1/3 would go fetch some water.

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Mount Semeru (Part I) - Ranupani to Ranu Kumbulo

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Mount Semeru (Part I) - Ranu Pane to Ranu Kumbulo
Mount Semeru (Part II) - Ranu Kumbulo to Kalimati post
Mount Semeru (Part III) - Kalimati post to Semeru Peak to Ranu Pane
Mount Semeru (Part IV) - Ranu Pane to Bromo

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This is unplanned hiking expedition in 2010. What i mean by unplanned is the decision taken to hike is less than 3 month. The original plan by the original team is actually to go to Bromo and Kawah Idjen. But due to some poison.. they 'upgraded' their plan to hike semeru and later i join their expedition team..   What a wonderful experience.. For this expedition, Mas Huda aka Mas Kaboel is our guide assisted by his friend, Mas Candra and Mas Danang.

The first part of the expedition to Semeru is a 12km jungle trekking from Ranupani to Ranu Kumbulo. The path goes along the zigzag hill slope where the steepness is minor to moderate.  There is four hut erected along the way. The trekking duration is around 3-5 hours depending on your speed and resting time. (first hut is about 4km from the entrance.. 2nd hut is a mere 2km from the first hut..  the next is located at about 3km.. and the last hut is facing ranu kumbulo lake - this is only estimation)

Ranu kumbulo is a beautiful place with a medium large lake.  The place is surrounded by other high hill with a V shape at the east side. Located at a relatively high altitude of around 2390m, this area feature alpine like fauna. It is far more picturesque and beautiful if compared with the small lake of Ranu Pane and Ranu Regulo (blogged here during previous trip) at Ranupani Village.

Ranu Kumbulo is the common first camp site for hiker going to Mount Semeru. There is two small house available here which can be used by camper. We camped here. During the night, if the sky is clear.. you can enjoy seing the star.. if you want you can try to do startrail too here (which we did at around 1am until early morning.. :D)

The view of Ranu Kumbulo from the V shape entry point

Side view of our camp site

Another side view of our campsite

Startrail during the night.. taken for about an hour duration

Next day.. while preparing to go for the next destination (kalimati).. found a memorial for Andika Listyono Putra just before tanjakan cinta.. you can read more about him in the news link.. Every mountaineering expedition would involve some risk. What we can do is to minimize the risk. Saying that, after successfully scaled Semeru to the peak.. i would say that Mount Semeru is not an ordinary weekend mountain. You need to prepare yourself physically and be careful not to stray off the safe/correct path. Must always stay in a group especially between kalimati-peak area where you can easily get lost and might be fatally stranded in deep ravine.


In memory of Andika Listyono Putra, may him rest in peace
News 1 | News 2 | News 3 | News 4

Another scenery of Ranu Kumbulo just before Tanjakan Cinta.. you can see the V shape clearly from here.. that is the entrance from ranupani direction

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Human interest around Surabaya - Kembara Jawa Timur Part VI

Sunset at New Kenjeran beach

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Kembara Jawa Timur Part I - Mount Bromo from Mount Penanjakan
Kembara Jawa Timur Part II - Mount Bromo & Ranupani Village
Kembara Jawa Timur Part III - Bromo from Gardu Pandang & Madakaripura Waterfall
Kembara Jawa Timur Part IV - Kawah Ijen - A mountain of surreal pain and beauty
Kembara Jawa Timur Part V - From Kalianyar Village to Papuma beach
Kembara Jawa Timur Part VI - Human interest around Surabaya

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This shall be the last entry that conclude my Kembara Jawa Timur series. As been told earlier, this series cover my recent photography trip to Jawa Timur which cover Bromo-Kawah Ijen-Surabaya. Surabaya is not actually part of our main itenary but it is more like a resting stop before boarding flight back to Kuala Lumpur.

In Surabaya, we cover certain area such as Kya Kya Kembang Jepun and the nearby Sunan Ampel Mosque,  Masjid Cheng Ho and also Kenjeran. The only place that i might want to repeat is Kenjeran as it is a traditional fishing village with the backdrop of Pulau Madura bridge with nearby pasar. I believe the human interest there would be fascinating to be captured and we could spend a full day there. Sunan Ampel Mosque definitely should be dropped from any photographer itenary as they didnt allow any picture to be taken there.

During our visit in Surabaya, we were accompanied by Ms Farida, a friend of Mas Kaboel, our guide. She is a very intelligent girl with a good knowledge of his city history and attraction. The most memorable part is when she explain the origin of Surabaya name (Sura = Shark , Baya = Crocodile) as it is believe in local myth that these two creatures once dwell and fought each other to gain the title of the strongest animal in the area.

An interesting observation is how cycling is part of daily lives here. I manage to capture a series of cyclist around surabaya.

ps: while it has been a while since this trip ended, few picture that is relevant for this entry has yet been processed/published in my flickr (eg Cheng Ho mosque picture,ambang kya-kya,kenjeran). Whenever i manage to publish few more related picture this entry would be updated with it.

With these picture series i conclude my Bromo-Kawah Ijen-Surabaya trip series. Would really recommend both Bromo and Kawah Ijen as your destination. Bromo is an accessible tourist destination and Kawah Ijen is a bit hard to reach but not impossible. Both place is fantastic for any photographer that interested in landscape and also human interest. And of course i definitely recommend our humble guide, Mas Kaboel / Aruna Asa.

I'm planning to go back to Mt Bromo to scale Mt Semeru this October with few hiking friends, may God bless our journey. Ameen.

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Other blog entry by fellow photographer in this trip
Dr Jamal - http://www.tembeling.com/blog/?p=1262
Shahreen - http://shahre2n.blogspot.com/2010/09/expat-2010bahagian-7episod-terakhir.html

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From Kalianyar Village to Papuma beach - Kembara Jawa Timur Part V

Belawan Waterfall

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Kembara Jawa Timur Part I - Mount Bromo from Mount Penanjakan
Kembara Jawa Timur Part II - Mount Bromo & Ranupani Village
Kembara Jawa Timur Part III - Bromo from Gardu Pandang & Madakaripura Waterfall
Kembara Jawa Timur Part IV - Kawah Ijen - A mountain of surreal pain and beauty
Kembara Jawa Timur Part V - From Kalianyar Village to Papuma beach
Kembara Jawa Timur Part VI - Human interest around Surabaya

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Immediately after returning from Kawah Ijen, we rest at our guest house Catimor Homestay. In the evening some of us wander around the village looking for photography subject. An interesting observation is how all the kids love to play badminton and their idol is Taufik Hidayat. No wonder Indonesia able to produce world champion for every generation. If every kid in every village in indonesia strive to follow taufik's example definitely whey will find another world champion soon or later.

Camera friendly kids in their school uniform

The kids also would shout about Upin Ipin whenever they know where we came from. Betul betul betul became their favourite quote in communicating with us.

In the morning afterward majority of us went to a Belawan Waterfall. Initially we though the waterfall is another waterfall that we found in the brochure which is very scenic. This waterfall is perhaps just a big waterfall gushing from a very high place 30-40m down.

A portraiture of an elder in the village

Kalianyar Village, Sempol, Bondowoso doesnt have many thing to offer for a landscape photographer like us. Apart from the camera friendly kids to the oldies in the village,they also has a natural hot water pool. Adventurous photographer might explore their coffee plantation but its off season now. When it is their harvesting season their activity would be interesting to be photographed. I interested to scout the waterfall that is featured in the homestay brochure, perhaps next time.

Some fisherman doing routine maintenance work with their boat

After breakfast, we continue our journey to Papuma Beach. Papuma beach is scenic cape located at the tip of Jember. It house the traditional fisherman village. We were told that the fisherman here normally set out early in the morning before sunrise.Here you able to catch both sunrise and sunset. However we didnt wait for either and proceed to Surabaya.

Panorama of Papuma Beach

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Kawah Ijen - A mountain of surreal pain and beauty - Kembara Jawa Timur Part IV

Kawah Ijen with its scenic green acidic lake amid the blue sky

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Kembara Jawa Timur Part I - Mount Bromo from Mount Penanjakan
Kembara Jawa Timur Part II - Mount Bromo & Ranupani Village
Kembara Jawa Timur Part III - Bromo from Gardu Pandang & Madakaripura Waterfall
Kembara Jawa Timur Part IV - Kawah Ijen - A mountain of surreal pain and beauty
Kembara Jawa Timur Part V - From Kalianyar Village to Papuma beach
Kembara Jawa Timur Part VI - Human interest around Surabaya

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After the visit to Madakaripura Waterfall (see Part III), we went straight for our second main destination, Kawah Ijen. Well.. not totally straight, our guide thought we could make it to Papuma beach for sunset so we try to go there first. Luck is not in our side as we were at least 30 minutes behind the time. So we end up shooting sunset at some paddy field not far from Papuma Beach.

Sunset at a paddy field at Jember, Jawa Timur.

After sunset we continue our journey towards Kawah Ijen. We stay at Catimor Homestay Resort at Blawan, Sempol, Bondowoso which is a luxury resort to our standard (normally we only stay at budget hotel to minimize our cost) but at a very affordable rate. To my surprise when i do a google search on this hotel, i found few bad review about this resort at tripadvisor. I believe most of the visitor that wrote bad review about this homestay at tripadvisor forgot that they are not in the middle of any city, instead they are at a rural area which depend on agriculture product such as coffee for a living.Its akin to someone who expecting five star motel/resort with world class service at Kg Bantal, Ulu Tembeling, Pahang (incase you didnt know, Kg Bantal is a village that you can reach after  4 hours journey only by boat from Kuala Tahan, Malaysia National Park). If you expect five star hotel with super comfort condition then stay at your home or go travel to London instead of a rural district at Bondowoso, Jawa Timur, Indonesia. Period.

Sulphur miner/carrier amid the sunrise at Kawah Ijen

Kawah Ijen (2386m) is part of volcano complex in East Java that include Mount Merapi (different from the central Java Merapi).It is part of several volcano complex within the 15km diameter Ijen Caldera. It's heighest point is at 2,386 meters high from the sea level. Among the distinctive feature of Kawah Ijen is the green acidic lake within its crater. This beautiful lake is more acidic from your car battery acid due to high level of sulphur within it. The sulphur dioxide combined with the air and water became sulphuric acid.

B&W of Kawah Ijen Crater

Kawah Ijen is also the site of a gruelingly labor-intensive sulfur mining operation. A total of around 200 miners collect and carry pure yellowish physical sulphur from the bottom of the crater  until a weighing station (Pondok Bunder -  2214 meters) through a 4km of hiking up and down. Each trip the miner carried about 60-100kg depending on their strength and ability. The more they can carry the more the money they can get. For 100kg load they would be paid around 60,000 rupiah (roughly about RM18). Normally they would be able to do only two trip per day.


Capturing the photo of this human labor intensive industry is the main reason why i longing to visit Kawah Ijen since last year after viewing photos taken by my friend, arey. I definitely wonder how they could survive as i cant even carry their 60-100kg of load for more than few second - tried it- but they need to carry it for several kilometers hiking! [Being there watching this would make you more grateful of your life and you'll stop complaining about your own job environment,promotion, etc. - Bosses should sponsor a trip to Kawah Ijen for their worker.. hehhehe]

A worker with his keranjang (basket)

The next day, early morning around 3am we already on our way to the crater. I initally thought the journey to Paltuding Base Camp from the resort would only take 45 minutes maximum as the driver and the guide say its near already. Instead i believe it took almost 2 hours to reach paltuding. We start to trek immediately before stopping midway for Subuh prayer. I trek as fast as i could as among our main target is to capture the sunrise at Kawah Ijen but it seem time is not on our side as we were told the hike itself will took almost 2 hours.

Dr Jamal Rahman.. our inspiring trip leader for this Bromo-Kawah Ijen-Surabaya trip under the Luarbiasa Photography umbrella.. Visit his flickr at www.flickr.com/photos/jamalrahman/ or his website www.tembeling.com

After approximately 90 minutes of brisk walking from our starting point (the starting base at Paltuding basecamp is already at around 1850m) .. we finally reached the volcano crater. The beautiful lake and perfect sky waiting for us.. we missed the sunrise.. next time we must try to reach the caldera before sunrise. To achieve that, next time we should start at 1am from our homestay to catch the sunrise. The path was easy as it is not steep at all with 3m wide almost all along the way. There is several hut provided along they way if you want to rest for a while
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Dr Jamal amid the background of Mount Raung. I'm interested to hike this mountain but when told there is no water source there (which mean we need to carry water) i lost my interest.. heheh.. better to target other mountain..

Another setback is on the day that we hike it is a libur (holiday) day for the worker. So there is far less worker than usual. Only around 15-20 harvester work that day. When its libur day, the worker can still gather the sulphur but the weighing station will be closed and they wont get their pay that day. So anyone keep working on any libur day must store their sulphur somewhere temporarily. I actually wonder why wouldnt they keep working as their effort would still get paid albeit later.

Pak Rudi on his way out from the Kawah Ijen volcano crater to the weighting station.

During my hike i coincidently keep trekking with a worker called Pak Rudi.. He worked here for at least 15 years carrying the heavy sulphur for a living.I first met him when i'm running away from the thick sulphur smoke that head to my way while i'm almost near the mining area (i wish i just continue to the mining area.. but i'm scared to death to see the thick poisonous smoke heading towards me.. but if the worker survive years of working in this hazard condition then i should survive few minutes of it ..hahaha.. my eyes burning like crazy when the smoke finally reach my position...) .

A dead tree around the crater at Kawah Ijen. The continuous sulphur smoke make life for the tree harder here.

A documentary by National Geographic state that the average lifespan of the worker here is only 41. Not surprising considering these miner work under great duress within inhuman condition extracting sulfur from one of the most beautiful volcanoes in the world. Back to Pak Rudi.. as i trek down along with him, i took a lot photos of him. I wish i could be back to Kawah Ijen in time and hand printed photo of him to him. I even met him again at a stall operated by his sister at Paltuding basecamp.

Pak Rudi, the sulphur miner/carrier with his 70kg of solid sulphur startimg to descend Kawah Ijen from its edge..

"The world is a book and those who do not travel read only a page - Saint Augustine"

Kawah Ijen is definitely special mountaineering expedition and for some it might be a lifechanging journey. Watching those people working to their maximum capability for a living definitely wreck your heart and make you more grateful of what you have. I will 'bookmark' this page of mine and hopefull would be able to revisit it next time. And i wish my wife would join all my future travel.

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Some other link/travalogue about Kawah Ijen:
http://www.indovolcano.com/gunung-ijen.php
http://www.tembeling.com/blog/?p=1262 - blog entry by Dr Jamal, our trip leader/organizer

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Bromo from Gardu Pandang & Madakaripura Waterfall - Kembara Jawa Timur Part III

Beautiful sunrise from Gardu Pandang, Cemoro Lowong, Bromo.

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Kembara Jawa Timur Part I - Mount Bromo from Mount Penanjakan
Kembara Jawa Timur Part II - Mount Bromo & Ranupani Village
Kembara Jawa Timur Part III - Bromo from Gardu Pandang & Madakaripura Waterfall
Kembara Jawa Timur Part IV - Kawah Ijen - A mountain of surreal pain and beauty
Kembara Jawa Timur Part V - From Kalianyar Village to Papuma beach
Kembara Jawa Timur Part VI - Human interest around Surabaya

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On the 3rd day, some of us went to another view post located at another hill near the village where we stay. Assisted by several ojet, we went to the start of the few hundred metres hike (i think the hike is around 300m vertical up). Unlike Mt Penanjakan where the sunrise and bromo is at different location, from this hill you can see both location combined (provided you reached the peak before sunrise). We were late a bit and the sun rise first before we managed to reach the peak (me myself even went to a wrong jalur). A total of 3 person managed to scaled to this mini peak which is Azri, Jasni & Zali. Few other friend scouting around the village for sunrise scenery.

Compared to Mt Penanjakan, this view point has its own strength also. From my observation this area were once used as the view point as there were some structure built there for this purpose.This abandon place should be revived as an alternative to the view point at Mt Penanjakan. I personally prefer this place more. From this location you can also catch and capture the misty atmosphere at the Cemoro Lowong village. Below is the picture series taken from this view point.

After shooting sunrise, we continue shooting around the village. Vegetable farm, trees and people became our photography subject.

Vegetable farm at Cemoro Lowong Village

Beautiful scenery OTW to Madakaripura Waterfall

Beautiful tree formation around the village

After taking the breakfast, we went to Madakaripura Waterfall , a great waterfall not far from Bromo. After a short trekking about 20-30 minutes when we finally reach the waterfall everyone suddenly became amazed with elegant waterfall. Some even said it were more like the scenery from avatar movie. Sadly the picture wont do justice to this magnificent place. The rain and water spray made it almost impossible to capture the beautiness of this place without exposing your camera to the risk plus with the wide range of exposure needed. One point that might be helpful for potential visitor is about the help extended by the villagers there. The help is not for free and they expected some tips from their help. During our trip most of them requested 50,000 rupiah. Their asisstance is very helpful considering the risky and slippering surface but agreeing on the rate at the beginning would be better than when you suddenly came into a situation where you dont actually need their help but requested to pay for it.

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